Carla Blackmar-Rice joins us to help us consider whether eco-friendly lifestyle choices are a distraction from the large-scale systems changes we need in order to sustain human life on earth and how we should use our time and energy in the face of climate and ecological breakdown.  Too often we are immobilized by the immensity of our challenges, and not knowing where to start.  This conversation seeks to help us define starting points for meaningful action on climate.   Service Leader:  Pete Carels.